Posts by Eyes Open

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It takes courage to enjoy it.

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

as someone wise once said, it can sometimes take more courage to give in to our desires than to resist.

i feel this is especially true for those who have been jehovah's witnesses, but who have managed to break free from the mental tyranny of so many needless watchtower prohibitions.

how many of us had a warped or in some sense stunted adolescence because of the mixed up views of sex the watchtower instilled in us?

so, the last few threads i've written have been about telling your families and friends how you feel; many of you have given me the reasons you don't speak out to your families, but i want to tell you the main reason you should.

please let me explain.... .

i keep on stressing this point because how it makes you feel, i'm telling you all, that for over 19 years, i let information about my thoughts out slowly, then the tipping point... at my uncle's funeral 2 february's ago, while listening to my family pontificate at dinner about who so and so is pioneering and the like, it hit me that i was sick to the core of them throwing their bullisi*t beliefs at me like i was inferior or something.

Eyes Open

Tough situations there.

Open mind, it sounds like you have given your method of operation a lot of thought and I wish you all the best with it.

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Gone full circle...time to say bye

by digderidoo in

jw
friends

i feel at the moment to keep posting on this site is doing me no good.

i used to post here many years ago and came across many things jw related that made me feel angry towards the way i was brought up.

in particular the 607 issue and the generation change.

Eyes Open

Bye for now, and enjoy doing whatever's best for you.

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Adam and Eve, True or False

by RavenManiac in

do you believe the story of adam and eve?

why or why not?

Eyes Open

Do you believe the story of Adam and Eve? Why or why not?

No, because it's a story.

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If Eve was made from Adam's rib...

by changeling in

jw
friends

wouldn't they have the same dna?

would that not make eve a clone of adam?

aren't clones by definition an exact replica of the original?

Eyes Open

If the bible provided an answer to every minute detail, then it would be more like the former organization we left, I don't need to know everything about this life, all that is needed is the plan of salvation, how the animals were created by God, I don't really know, and in the full picture is imaterial.

Why is the plan of salvation needed, Junction-Guy?

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If Eve was made from Adam's rib...

by changeling in

jw
friends

wouldn't they have the same dna?

would that not make eve a clone of adam?

aren't clones by definition an exact replica of the original?

Eyes Open

From Wikipedia: "Some people are missing one of the two pairs of floating ribs, while others have a third pair."

You don't need to get into DNA to show that Adam and Eve is just a story.

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When the fog lifted - did you see the control tactics everywhere?

by AK - Jeff in

it took a while for me - but after some time i began to see most all religion as controlling entities, interested not only in forcing doctrine on adherents, but also, and perhaps primarily, seeking to control believers.

i initially saw this as somewhat benign, but have increasingly seen it as dangerous, even a malignant force in human social-evolution.

i see a far-right fundy church and it virtually screams "jwism" to me.

Eyes Open

Yes, I did Jeff. And I felt very similarly to you about religion. I made myself go to a Catholic Christmas service, have been to another Catholic service and even went to a Kingdom Hall meeting away from my previous congregation to prove to myself that I could because I knew I needed to be able to deal with my disdain of organised religion. I still hope that one day the human race will admit that it just doesn't have all the answers and stop clinging to untrue beliefs.

As some months have passed, I now feel less resentment of religion as a whole but still feel very sorry that it has managed to pull the wool over peoples' eyes for so long.

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WT Cult Evolution Over Last 10 Years

by Farkel in

he thought long and hard before he said he didn't think so, but he did think they were a high control group.

now those of you who know alan are aware that he knows more about the wt religion than everyone in bethel (including the gb) put together.

that was ten years ago, but look what has happened since.. about 8 years ago alanf was making a business trip to new york city and he asked me if i wanted a copy of the wt cd rom.

Eyes Open

Of course it's a cult. Nice post farkel.

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OK, let me explain....

by dawg in

so, the last few threads i've written have been about telling your families and friends how you feel; many of you have given me the reasons you don't speak out to your families, but i want to tell you the main reason you should.

please let me explain.... .

i keep on stressing this point because how it makes you feel, i'm telling you all, that for over 19 years, i let information about my thoughts out slowly, then the tipping point... at my uncle's funeral 2 february's ago, while listening to my family pontificate at dinner about who so and so is pioneering and the like, it hit me that i was sick to the core of them throwing their bullisi*t beliefs at me like i was inferior or something.

Eyes Open

I've read a few cult books, never one that mentions how to get the family/friends out...

In that case, may I make a suggestion if you're going to continue to post advice to others about interactions with friends and relatives still in? Read one.

so, you're using the book, how's that working out for you?

It's helped me understand a little more why I chose not to act on the cognitive dissonance, and see the heavy influences used to control. I haven't finished the book yet, and am in the process of deciding how I will co-ordinate the SIA which will hopefully allow my relative to get over their fears and be able to make a good decision about the cult.

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DIASSOCIATED NO WHERE TO GO LOST AND BROKEN

by DonaLeigh in

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dls.

Eyes Open

Very sorry to hear of your situation and natural feelings, DonaLeigh. Welcome to the forum, and all the best with coping. Post as much as you want to.